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138: Underworld: Deep Thoughts About Feminism, Leather-clad Women, and the Edges of Helpfulness in Analogies of Race

May 26, 2026

Whether you like it or not, you're in the middle of a war that has been raging for the better part of a thousand years.

Tracie returned to the 2003 film Underworld to find a delightful – but maybe not very good – vampire and werewolves version of the Matrix. Starring Kate Beckinsale as Selene in skin-tight leather, Underworld is a visually beautiful, blue-tinged movie that marries feminist impulses with decidedly not-feminist tropes. 

The sisters unpack a fairly explicit allegory about interracial relationships that is well-meaning but perhaps not as effective as the movie-makers intended: race is made up, but the difference between werewolves and vampires is visible under a microscope. Sex and sexiness are also key topics of conversation, because vampires. And Kate Beckinsale. 

Though we cannot predict the future, the consequences of this episode will reverberate through  54 minutes of listening pleasure. So put on some headphones and stay out of the shadows.


We are Tracie Guy-Decker and Emily Guy Birken, known to our extended family as the Guy Girls.

We both have super-serious personas in our "day jobs." No, really. Emily is a Finance writer who used to be a classroom teacher. Tracie writes and consults on social justice and mindfulness and works as a copywriter and project manager for non-profits. If you really need to see the bona fides, please visit our individual websites: tracieguydecker.com and emilyguybirken.com 

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This episode was edited by Resonate Recordings.

 
 
 

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