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157: Lost with Seth Nesin: Deep Thoughts About Smoke Monsters, Unsatisfying Endings, and the Ethics of Storytelling

Oct 6
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October 06, 2026


Four, Eight, Fifteen, Sixteen, Twenty-Three, Forty-Two

Today on Deep Thoughts About Stupid Shit, Tracie and Emily welcome Seth Nesin to talk about the ethics of storytelling in the TV show Lost–and why you may be entitled to pop culture compensation for its completely unsatisfactory ending. 

Seth explains why revisiting this early 2000s sci-fi / mystery / drama hybrid television series doesn’t inspire nostalgia, because saying it was a “good show with a bad ending” feels no different than calling Sawyer’s romance con “a good relationship with a bad ending.” Tracie suggests that the psychology of the particular viewer may affect just how frustrated they feel by unsatisfying storytelling.

The Guy sisters and Seth also talk about what artists owe to their audience, especially when the storytelling seems to promise something that the artist simply can’t deliver.
 
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This episode was edited by Joan Peconcillo.


We are Tracie Guy-Decker and Emily Guy Birken, known to our extended family as the Guy Girls.

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