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89: Rosemary's Baby with Ryan Cunningham: Deep Thoughts About Gaslighting, Monstrous Men, and Satanism in Pop Culture

Updated: 16 hours ago

June 17, 2025
This is no dream! This is really happening!

On this week's episode, Tracie and Emily are delighted to welcome award-winning writer/director and producer Ryan Cunningham to talk about Rosemary's Baby, the film that most influenced her own filmmaking and storytelling--but also made her wonder if she was a bad feminist considering the terrible deeds Roman Polanski later went to commit. The conversation covers the absurdity of two Jewish men shaping the idea of Satanism in pop culture, the mundane evil of how pregnant women are routinely gaslighted by the "guys" and doctors in their lives, and the complexity of admiring Polanski's genius. Also: Ruth Gordon as Minnie Castevet is delightful.

We won't make you eat the mouse. Just take a listen!

Content warning: Brief mentions of sexual assault and statutory rape

Learn more about Ryan here. And see her TED talk here.



We are Tracie Guy-Decker and Emily Guy Birken, known to our extended family as the Guy Girls.

We both have super-serious personas in our "day jobs." No, really. Emily is a Finance writer who used to be a classroom teacher. Tracie writes and consults on social justice and mindfulness and works as a copywriter and project manager for non-profits. If you really need to see the bona fides, please visit our individual websites: tracieguydecker.com and emilyguybirken.com 

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This episode was edited by Resonate Recordings.

 
 
 

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